Healthy Living Tips for Seniors in The Villages

Healthy Living Tips for Seniors in The Villages

In this episode of 'Mature Adults with Donna and Mike,' Donna and Mike discuss essential healthcare advice for seniors living in The Villages. Topics include finding and evaluating quality dentists and primary care physicians, the significance of preventative care, and personalized tips on dental hygiene and choosing the best medical and cosmetic products using apps like Yuka and EWG. They also touch on the importance of using organic products to minimize health risks. Additionally, the show offers listeners the chance to share their recommendations for future episodes.

00:00 Introduction to Mature Adults Podcast
00:57 Navigating Healthcare in The Villages
01:38 Finding the Right Dentist
04:16 Dental Hygiene Tips and Tricks
10:54 Exploring Health Apps and Organic Products
19:49 Choosing a Primary Care Physician
26:15 Conclusion and Contact Information

Transcript

Healthy Living Tips for Seniors in The Villages

[00:00:08] Mike Roth AI3: Welcome to Mature Adults with Donna and Mike, the podcast where wisdom meets curiosity and life's next chapter is celebrated.

[00:00:18] Donna Hoover: Whether you're navigating retirement, pursuing new passions, or simply looking for a fresh perspective. This is a place to embrace the beauty of aging and discover all the opportunities that come with it.

[00:00:31] Mike Roth AI3: Join us twice a month as we explore topics that matter to mature adults. From health and wellness to travel, finance, real estate, storytelling, and many more. Together, let's redefine what it means to thrive at this exciting stage of life. 

[00:00:50] Mike Roth: This is Mature Adults with Donna Hoover and 

[00:00:54] Donna Hoover: Mike Roth. 

[00:00:55] Mike Roth: Thanks everyone for joining us today. We're gonna be talking about a popular subject here in . Healthcare and things we can do. To stay healthy. That sound fair, Donna? 

[00:01:05] Donna Hoover: Yes. Health and wellness is very important because without that, what else do you actually have?

[00:01:11] Mike Roth: What you have is something that's an unpleasant thought to talk about. So we're not gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about things we'd like to do to stay healthy. And probably the number one question I get from people who've just moved to The Villages, or within the first two months, they moved to The Villages.

They say Mike who's a good doctor and who's a good dentist 

[00:01:33] Donna Hoover: and have you found these people? 

[00:01:35] Mike Roth: After seven years I have found some good people. The first thing I'll talk about is dentist. the first rule I learned here the hard way was. Never do business with a dentist that is part of a national chain.

You want to find one of the few dentists, and there aren't more than a few here in The Villages that run an independent practice. I think they're more caring and they run a better practice that they're not really chasing the dollar as much as some of the national dental chains that are here.

[00:02:07] Donna Hoover: That makes sense. 

[00:02:08] Mike Roth: How did you find your dentist here in The Villages? 

[00:02:10] Donna Hoover: I actually just went to the dentist for the first time about two weeks ago here. And I had been putting it off because it, it is difficult. And I had difficulty where I lived before too, because it very much seemed it was all about money.

And I didn't want that someone referred me to the place I went to. So that was my first experience is just a friend of mine said, yeah, I'm going to the dentist. I said, okay. Where are you going? 

Do you like 'em? All right, I'll try. 

[00:02:39] Mike Roth: Yeah. I had come to The Villages and I went to a highly recommended dentist too.

Was part of a chain of dental practices and. The first thing his dental assistant told me is, oh, Mr. Roth, you're gonna have to have your teeth cleaned at least four times a year. 

[00:02:56] Donna Hoover: Oh 

[00:02:56] Mike Roth: Then you have gum disease or to avoid gum disease. 

[00:02:59] Donna Hoover: Okay. 

[00:03:00] Mike Roth: So I went to him a couple of times and did the the dental hygienist was actually a dentist from, I think, Argentina.

And he didn't have a dental license here who was working as a hygienist. And he did a great job, but the whole front office was screwed up. It was just hard to get an appointment. And although the actual couple of fillings that I had the dentist do were very good, it was just hard to get into the schedule.

I didn't enjoy it. And then. The dental hygienist who had been doing a decent job on me for about a year, or I thought they did quit. They didn't hire a replacement. It was impossible to get an appointment to have my teeth cleaned for another eight months. But he told me I needed to have my teeth cleaned every three months.

So I was left in a aggravating quandary. 

[00:03:49] Donna Hoover: Yes. So what did you do 

[00:03:51] Mike Roth: Actually I talked to, several friends, and then I talked to a physician friend, and the physician friend said, don't work with a dentist that's part of a chain practice. Find one of the few that are independent practices. And he referred me to Aesthetic Dentistry across the street from Colony Plaza.

[00:04:12] Donna Hoover: Okay. 

[00:04:13] Mike Roth: And they've been very good for me. 

[00:04:15] Donna Hoover: All right. Great. I can tell you one of the things that they told me when I went to the dentist was I got into a kind of sidebar conversation with the dentist or the dental hygienist. And I said, how many people come in here and tell you yes, I floss, every day?

And she said some people say they floss but they don't. And she said, that is one of the main things you can do at home. For preventative care, and it makes a really big difference. And they have so many things now. Like I saw something it's even I think it was on Shark Tank.

They have an electronic flosser now. Now, I've not tried this, but I guess you just hold it there and it goes down and it does better than you would do, by hand. And then you don't have to stick your hand like way into the back of your mouth and all that kind of stuff. But flossing, if you can, convince yourself to do it every day. She said that's one of the great things, aside from obviously brushing your teeth that you can do.

[00:05:11] Mike Roth: When I think about it, telling the rest of the story, because this first dental hygienist, ex dentist from Argentina told me that I probably had gum disease.

I made an appointment with the, I don't know, , but a specialist for periodontics. And I go in and get evaluated by him and he says, no, you don't have gum disease. Nothing wrong here, but you probably need a better cleaning than you've been getting.

So now I go to his office for one cleaning once every six months, and I go to the other office. For a cleaning once every six months, and there's only about $20 a difference in price. But they do a different methodology on the cleaning. 

[00:05:49] Donna Hoover: Oh, okay. And 

[00:05:49] Mike Roth: I find that it helps. 

[00:05:51] Donna Hoover: And do you floss?

[00:05:53] Mike Roth: I hate having my teeth cleaned. I'm one of these guys that, you know, the first thing I say to the dental hygentist is. You got that gum numbing and tooth numbing paste that you put on before you touch my teeth. And so she says, oh yes we slob all that stuff on first. Let my tongue numb up. Okay? Because when your tongue numbs up, you know pretty much that your teeth and gums are numb.

And then she's gonna go prodding and poking to clean the tartar off the teeth. That's worked pretty well actually. I had been using, I don't know, I think it was Glide brand of floss. And because I hated having my teeth cleaned so much I was flossing, two or three times a day.

[00:06:32] Donna Hoover: Oh, wow. Now I can say, that's a lot.

[00:06:34] Mike Roth: I feel uncomfortable if I haven't three times a day. 

[00:06:37] Donna Hoover: Wow. You're probably one of the best in the world. 

[00:06:40] Mike Roth: I don't know about that, but. This glide floss I was using was breaking, every quarter of the mouth that I floss. And was very aggravating.

So I asked the dental hygienist, what are you using in my mouth? Because that stuff doesn't break. 

[00:06:57] Donna Hoover: What's the difference? What are they using? 

[00:06:59] Mike Roth: They're using a different floss, but it doesn't break. 

[00:07:03] Donna Hoover: And is this something that a consumer can get? 

[00:07:05] Mike Roth: Yes. at first she told me she was flossing with refills and I couldn't get it.

So naturally, where do you go to get anything that you can't get around here? 

[00:07:15] Donna Hoover: I guess online, right? 

[00:07:16] Mike Roth: Amazon. Amazon, sure. So I go to Amazon and look it up and they say they had special flossing brushes and special floss. That doesn't break. I said, wow, gotta get me some of that. 

[00:07:27] Donna Hoover: Yeah. So I 

[00:07:28] Mike Roth: bought six, six tubs of it and 

it works like a charm.

[00:07:31] Donna Hoover: Very nice. That's a good tip. 

[00:07:34] Mike Roth: Amazon had, Reach Ultra Clean. And that was the same kind of green that the dental hygienist was using. 

[00:07:43] Donna Hoover: Now is it thicker or is it just a different material entirely? 

[00:07:47] Mike Roth: It's a different material.

[00:07:49] Donna Hoover: I think he is gonna floss his teeth or something.

[00:07:51] Mike Roth: No, I'm not gonna floss his teeth. He's on the air, but I'm gonna take out the floss and a little piece of it so that Donna can feel it and tell you folks what she thinks about it. 

[00:08:01] Donna Hoover: Oh yeah. That's different than the kind I have. It's more flat.

[00:08:05] Mike Roth: It's flat, yes. It's got a wide surface, so it covers a wide surface when you use it. On your teeth. 

[00:08:11] Donna Hoover: And it's more kind of waxy feeling too. 

[00:08:13] Mike Roth: It's a little waxy, so it gets between. Tight teeth. 

[00:08:16] Donna Hoover: Oh, it's like a rubber band.

[00:08:18] Mike Roth: It's elasticy too. 

[00:08:19] Donna Hoover: Look at that. 

[00:08:19] Mike Roth: So it doesn't break as often.

[00:08:21] Donna Hoover: Ah, see, mine's not like this. Okay. 

You might need to make an investment here. 

[00:08:25] Mike Roth: Yeah. When I first was out looking for it I found it in a Listerine brand and they sold it with a brush with replaceable floss heads that are very good That string won't come out.

After two complete teeth flossing, I find it does break. Okay. But it is very strong. the replacement heads with floss pre-attached. 

List three Ultra clean. 

after more than a year, I'm still on the first brush.

[00:08:55] Donna Hoover: Oh, wow. 

[00:08:56] Mike Roth: I bought a starter kit. I bought four or five of the brushes. 

[00:08:59] Donna Hoover: Then you also don't have to stick your hands way back in your mouth when you have something like that as well. 

[00:09:03] Mike Roth: Once a day, I use that and twice a day I'll use my fingers and work with the green stuff that works like charm knock wood for some real wood.

Haven't had any real cavities since I got here in seven years. So that's been a pretty good investment. It actually works. I'm getting good reports from the dental hygienist. your mouth looks very good today. Not too much taller. But I still make 'em put into it.

Yeah. you're 

[00:09:26] Donna Hoover: doing one of the most important things, so it only makes sense. And you're doing it a lot. 

[00:09:30] Mike Roth: It's almost maniacal, but it keeps teeth clean, yeah. I ate lunch out today and it was a difficult half hour drive home before I could get a good electric toothbrush in there and cleaning everything out.

But I think it makes your whole body healthier. Yes. There's a good body of science as some of my regular listeners might know. I'm very into trying to minimize the effects of Alzheimer's in our listeners. I went to a talk recently and the researcher said that using too much mouthwash and killing all the bacteria in your mouth will actually cause Alzheimer's to onset earlier. 

He said some of that bacteria you're killing is exactly the bacteria you have to prevent Alzheimer's. 

[00:10:20] Donna Hoover: That's interesting. 

[00:10:22] Mike Roth: I cut way back on my Listerine use. 

[00:10:24] Donna Hoover: The one thing that always comes to mind for me when you're talking about that disease is aluminum and the avoidance of that in your using cooking with aluminum foil is not good.

Using deodorant, antiperspirants that have aluminum in them, baking soda that has aluminum in it. 

baking powder. I'm sorry, baking powder. 

[00:10:45] Mike Roth: It has aluminum in it. I didn't know that. 

[00:10:46] Donna Hoover: But they have ones that you can get that don't, so you have to look for these things, but you have to know this before you would go looking for it.

[00:10:54] Mike Roth: And that kind of leads into, the app I guess we had talked about a couple of weeks ago on the other show, it's called Yuka , YUKA. And that app will tell you whether a product is good or bad, if it's a food product or a cosmetic product. Okay.

It's called Yuka. And when you hit that carrot, it opens up a screen and you can scan the barcode of any product. Okay, so if we scan the barcode of the reach loss.

Oh, and it says that's a not a, that's a drug product. And so we don't know anything about it. 

[00:11:34] Donna Hoover: Do they let me ask you this so you can, if you have the product in hand and you have a barcode, you can check it out. But what if you're searching for a product? I want to know the best thing to use, whether it's lipstick or deodorant or the best, drink or, whatever is, can you do that?

Can you search for something like by 

[00:11:56] Mike Roth: name 

[00:11:57] Donna Hoover: or just ask it, approved spaghetti or approved sauces or something like that? There's a search 

[00:12:03] Mike Roth: item in here. Okay. I guess you have to become. A member to search cosmetics. There were 4 million food and cosmetic products available.

I don't know if I'm a member search products without having to scan it. That's what you want to do, right? So you want to hit search and then you want to I guess look offline. Oh no, not offline. you want to detect the presence of things like palm oil, gluten-free, vegan, soy free, pork free, sulfide free.

And if you buy into the app that costs you $15, that's not an endorsement. We get nothing. No. If you buy into the app, but I took this into Sprouts. I had never gone to Sprout's market here in The Villages where they supposedly sell healthier food. And there was an entirely different flavor in the store than.

Publix. 

[00:12:56] Donna Hoover: Absolutely. I tend to go to Sprouts myself because I'm looking for healthier food. there's a lot of things there you cannot find at other stores. 

[00:13:05] Mike Roth: And, using the scanner, you. I like something crunchy like potato chips, but not potato chips because they have too much salt and oil.

And so I found a cracker type thing that came up, on 80 points. the Yuka app rates products from zero, which is terrible to a hundred, which is great. Very few hundreds. There are a lot more that are less than 30. But these ships came out at about 80. Oh, that's great.

And so we bought 'em. So that was a interesting and profitable trip to Sprouts. Since I was on the shopping trip with my wife, Kay. We spent an extra 50 or $75 because there were all kinds of special stuff there. Yes. And they'd never seen any place else. Yeah, 

[00:13:51] Donna Hoover: A lot of unique items. And I can also recommend thrive Market online, which is box groceries sent to your home and they have a lot of organic foods there.

They have a lot of more healthy choices, as it were. And also another app EWG, environmental Working Group. Yes. They also have an app and you can search either way, you can search a barcode or you can search for items and get recommendations on the best thing to buy. 

[00:14:20] Mike Roth: So if you're looking for a shampoo or a hand cream. Or a suntan lotion. 

[00:14:24] Donna Hoover: Yes. And I have looked for all those things on there. Yeah. So you'll be in the store and just say I wonder if this one's any good. And you just scan it and check it out and see what they say about it. And they also produce something that's interesting.

You may have heard of it. It's called The Dirty Dozen. 

[00:14:40] Mike Roth: That's a movie from Hollywood. 

[00:14:42] Donna Hoover: Yeah. Yeah. Different thing. The Dirty Dozen and the Clean 15. So what that is it's a list of produce. Vegetables, fruits that you should buy organic because of the high pesticide rate. So that's what they call the dirty dozen.

So they're gonna tell you, when you're shopping for strawberries, apples, pears, and they'll give you a whole list. Then they'll also give you a list of the clean 15. Here are the things that it's not as important to get them organically grown because of the fact that they don't tend to use as much pesticides on them 

The fruit or vegetable doesn't gravitate toward the pesticides Okay, so 

[00:15:25] Mike Roth: it's fruits and vegetables. Yeah, it's 

[00:15:27] Donna Hoover: all, and this is, so this is just these lists of things. So you can have this checklist like if I'm gonna buy blueberries, I should buy organic. If I'm gonna buy strawberries, I should buy organic.

[00:15:38] Mike Roth: And what about things like paper towels? 

[00:15:41] Donna Hoover: I don't know if they get into stuff like that. Honestly, I have never looked for that. 

[00:15:45] Mike Roth: I just thought of it. It's a grocery item that you don't eat, 

[00:15:48] Donna Hoover: right? Yeah. At least most 

[00:15:49] Mike Roth: people don't eat paper towels. No, 

[00:15:51] Donna Hoover: I think not. I think they're mostly it's food items and things that you put on your body and perhaps even like laundry detergents and things like that.

[00:16:00] Mike Roth: Yeah. I was surprised when we did this the first time about Yuka. We did a, an actual product survey. I found every. container of suntan lotion that I could find in the house. And it was amazing how poorly most of them did, including the brands that you would think because of their reputation are safest.

They absolutely were not because of the chemicals that were in them. 

[00:16:25] Donna Hoover: And I think that the more popular they are. They're more for the general populace, and they do not have the concern on making them more healthy for you. You really have to make an effort to seek these things out on your own, and you have to educate yourself about them because they're not going to do it for you, and it's a little more expensive to buy a better sunscreen, 

[00:16:52] Mike Roth: but what is your health worth?

[00:16:54] Donna Hoover: Exactly. So 

[00:16:54] Mike Roth: you know, how much is the sunburn worth? Is it worth an extra $5? Or is it worth $500 if you don't get skin cancer because you had the right suntan lotion on. 

[00:17:04] Donna Hoover: And you're not putting bad chemicals into your body as well, and I say this a lot, pay me now or pay me later.

You're going to either pay the medical community for your health or you're going to do preventative care and 

[00:17:16] Mike Roth: Even if you have a fantastic insurance planning, you're not actually gonna pay your doctors a penny beyond the cost of insurance what your health worth, what's your time worth?

[00:17:27] Donna Hoover: Would you rather be up and around healthy, 

right? 

[00:17:30] Mike Roth: Or would you rather be, in a hospital treating some terrible condition that you got for an unknown reason, which was really you were using these products? I switched away from using Roundup as a weed killer because of the terrible reputation I'm not sure if it's got bad ingredients in it that cause cancer.

But I am pretty sure that the ingredients in the substitute, which are things like dishwasher, soap, and vinegar, maybe a little salt. They're probably not too bad for you 

when you spray 'em on the garden plants. But the garden plants don't like 'em. They die. 

[00:18:05] Donna Hoover: Yeah. there are many lawsuits against Roundup.

And it's all the time you see it advertised on TV, if you've been harmed by Roundup 

[00:18:14] Mike Roth: That may be very difficult to prove. It took probably 50 years for them to prove that tobacco was bad for you. 

[00:18:23] Donna Hoover: I'm gonna venture and say they knew it was and just didn't wanna admit it for a really long time.

I'm sure the tobacco companies knew that and didn't want to admit it, and that's. A lot of money invested in keeping it safe, quiet. We don't know how much money's been invested in weed killer, for instance. Or unsafe suntan lotions. But I had a dermatologist come on to my other podcast, open form in The Villages

[00:18:48] Mike Roth: and Dr. Zach as I call him. He said that you should only be using organic sunscreens, which are made for minerals. And when you put that on your skin, it stays on the top of your skin. That's the white stuff with the zinc

and it may not be the most pleasant looking but it doesn't penetrate the skin. It stays on top. And you need to put more on 'cause it washed off in the water. 

[00:19:14] Donna Hoover: Honestly, there are some of that very kind of sunscreen. Mineral based. mineral based that they've made it so you don't have that white.

Ghostly look on your body. It's on. Yeah. But you can definitely find that as well. And so you don't have to necessarily be walking around looking like a zombie or something. 

[00:19:35] Mike Roth: I'd rather have that on my nose and look white that I have to deal with a cosmetic surgeon who's looking at your skin to see if you got skin cancer there? Oh, let's just take, cut off that spot, then we'll cut off this spot. I think some of those guys are a little cut. Crazy. But I understand why they do it, which kind of brings us around to the other topic of how do you pick a good primary care physician in The Villages and.

That's another pet peeve. How did you wind up doing it, Donna? 

[00:20:04] Donna Hoover: I could say I haven't done it, so 

[00:20:06] Mike Roth: shame on you. 

[00:20:07] Donna Hoover: First of all, we don't have traditional health insurance right now. We will in about a year, but we don't right now. And so therefore, everything that we pay right now is out of pocket.

And since we have not had any incidents, we have not established one. And I'm not advising that's how you should roll. You probably should have one up front just in case, but We haven't gotten one yet. 

[00:20:31] Mike Roth: For 15 years before I came to The Villages from Cincinnati I was with a doctor in Cincinnati who had a traditional practice where he saw 60 patients a day, each one for 15 minutes or less.

And then probably five years before we left, he called a meeting of all his patients in a big auditorium and he and his partner announced that they were becoming an M-D-V-I-P. Practice where the minimum appointment was 30 minutes and once a year you get a full physical and they were going after preemptive healthcare to keep you healthy.

And they said it was gonna be, I don't remember, $1,500 a year to be a member of the practice. And he was gonna go down from 2,500 patients to less than 600. 

[00:21:17] Donna Hoover: Wow. 

[00:21:18] Mike Roth: And. My wife and I thought about it and we said, Hey, sounds like a pretty good idea. So we stuck with the guy went, got into the M-D-V-I-P program with him and we were extremely happy with it because when we had a problem, you could pick up the phone, call him and go in to see him when you had a 10:00 AM appointment with 'em for your quarterly visit.

You got there at five to 10. The phlebotomist was calling you in. That's the person who draws blood. He had a blood draw person right in his office, so it was very convenient to get a blood draw. And you saw him at 10 o'clock and he answered all your questions. So we were very happy with that.

And we came to The Villages, we were trying to find an M-D-V-I-P doctor, and we found one in the Lady Lake area and her practice was full. We went on her waiting list and we found another guy who said he had a concierge medicine practice. And we went with him for about two years and that worked out pretty well.

He was an internist and he worked with a smaller number of patients, so that was good. An intelligent guy. But then he got a stroke and he was a one man practice and. And that was terrible. And he sold his practice to a multi-office, local practice, and my wife stayed with the multi-office practice and I said no.

And I found a concierge doctor named Martinez Cruz. And frankly, the first time I talked to his office. The lady said it'd be $200 for your first appointment, or you could join the practice for 700 a year. And I said, what? And so I went to a Premier Medical because I unbelievably that outfit that has mainly Asian Indian doctors, they had a american doctor named Alexander. She was great. She lasted for about eight months there, and then she disappeared mysteriously and they never told me what, what happened to her. But I had the feeling it was she couldn't put up with thee

practices, back office practices that were non-patient oriented. And I went a couple of times to one of the doctors that substituted for her, and they weren't any good. Put my name in again at the M-D-V-I-P to see if I could get off the waiting list. That didn't work. And so I discovered that my treasurer in the Mercedes Club was using this guy and his wife used him and they both were raving about him for about a year. And so I finally gave in and said, okay, I'll go out and visit him. And I go out and visit him, discover he's Harvard educated. And spends that half hour with you. The same quick visits it doesn't have the phlebotomist, which I missed 'cause that was a nice perk.

But, it's very good. When I need him I can pick up the phone, call him and get him the same day or the very next day. 

[00:24:02] Donna Hoover: That's great. 

[00:24:03] Mike Roth: And he works some Saturdays. I was very happy with him. And I recommended him to more than a few people. 

[00:24:09] Donna Hoover: Did you say his name? 

[00:24:10] Mike Roth: Yes.

His name is Dr. Martinez-Cruz, and he's in the summit. at the intersection of 466 and Rolling Acres Road. He's the first medical center there. The man does a great job and you got a 10:00 AM appointment with him. They'll see it. You're in with his nurse for your vitals at 10 to 10.

it's a pleasure to work with a guy like that. And he's always thinking of, what you need. 

[00:24:36] Donna Hoover: That's great. 

[00:24:37] Mike Roth: A couple of years ago when the new shingles vaccine came out, he grilled me real good about what shingles vaccine I had, and I pulled out my records and it was the old one.

And he said, you must get the new one. So I did. I didn't get shingles, and that's no guarantee that I won't get 'em in the future, but the idea is that if you look around, you can find good independent medical practices. You're in The Villages some people report that they're happy with The Villages medical.

Other people's, not so much, specialist care here in The Villages is another hit and miss problem.

For instance do you have a cardiologist? 

[00:25:14] Donna Hoover: Do I? Yeah. I've never needed one. No. 

[00:25:17] Mike Roth: My doctor said you might not need one today, but you should have one, 

[00:25:20] Donna Hoover: so you get one even if you don't need one. This is a preemptive strike then? 

[00:25:24] Mike Roth AI3: Yes. Baseline. Okay. Oh, gotcha. I've become a believer in fact, Dr. Peter Attia in his book OutLive Calls Medicine 2.0 that's Proactive about your care.

Don't wait till you come down with some terrible disease like cancer. Do everything you can now to prevent cancer because that's better. Oh, 

[00:25:45] Donna Hoover: absolutely. That's how I live my life. Yes, 

[00:25:47] Mike Roth: absolutely. I know how to ride a bicycle, but I won't get back up on a bicycle because there are too many bicycle accidents from sloppy bicycle operators, and I'd probably be a sloppy.

Bicycle operator, and it seems every month someone gets killed on a bicycle around here. 

[00:26:03] Donna Hoover: I think I'm really with you on that, the preventative part of it all, exercising, eating well just making good choices generally. And hopefully you don't need a cardiologist someday. 

[00:26:15] Mike Roth: And when we come back. Next week or in a couple of weeks we'll be talking about some other topics that would be of interest to our senior citizens. Our email address 

[00:26:25] Donna Hoover: email: MikeDonna281@gmail.com.

[00:26:30] Mike Roth: . And if you know a very good dentist or primary care physician here in The Villages, drop us an email and maybe we'll call you to put you onto one of our next shows.

This is Mike and Donna signing out for this week.

[00:26:45] Donna Hoover: Thanks for listening

[00:26:47] Mike Roth: Hope you enjoyed it. You've been listening to Mature Adults with Donna and Mike. We release a new episode the first and third Monday of every month. If you have suggestions for future topics, email: MikeDonna281@gmail.com