Behind Closed Doors in The Villages: Real Life Homeowner Stories

Behind Closed Doors in The Villages: Real Life Homeowner Stories

Navigating Life and Home Ownership in The Villages

In this episode of Mature Adults with Donna and Mike, hosts Mike Roth and Donna Hoover explore the unique experiences and challenges faced by mature adults living in The Villages. They delve into topics such as the transition from multiple cars to golf carts, the pros and cons of electric vs. gas golf carts, and the importance of considering parts availability for essential home equipment like water softeners. They share personal anecdotes about their own golf cart journeys and home improvement projects, including the benefits of installing mini-split systems and reverse osmosis water filtration. Join Donna and Mike as they provide valuable insights and practical advice for thriving in this vibrant community.

00:00 Introduction to Mature Adults Podcast
00:55 Homeowner Concerns in The Villages
01:06 Golf Cart Dilemmas and Solutions
09:13 Water Softener Woes
18:46 Enhancing Home Comfort
21:17 Reverse Osmosis Systems
25:11 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Transcript

Show #7

Behind Closed Doors in The Villages: Real Life Homeowner Stories

[00:00:07] Mike Roth: Welcome to Mature Adults with Donna and Mike, the podcast where wisdom meets curiosity and life's next chapter is celebrated.

[00:00:17] Donna Hoover: Whether you're navigating retirement, pursuing new passions, or simply looking for a fresh perspective. This is a place to embrace the beauty of aging and discover all the opportunities that come within.

[00:00:30] Mike Roth: Join us twice a month as we explore topics that matter to mature adults from health and wellness, to travel, finance, real estate, storytelling, and many more. Together, let's redefine what it means to thrive at this exciting stage of life.

This is Mike Roth and 

[00:00:49] Donna Hoover: Donna Hoover, 

[00:00:51] Mike Roth: and we're on mature adults with Donna and Mike. Let's talk about some of the concerns today that homeowners have here in The Villages that may not have affected them before they came to The Villages.

[00:01:04] Donna Hoover: All right. That sounds like a great topic. 

[00:01:06] Mike Roth: First timers in The Villages, they just bought their house and the first thing that they're gonna look at outside of the house is a. 

[00:01:13] Donna Hoover: Golf 

[00:01:14] Mike Roth: cart. Oh, 

[00:01:14] Donna Hoover: a golf cart. Well, yes, a golf cart, of course. 

[00:01:17] Mike Roth: Okay, so you and your husband Steve, and how many golf carts now?

[00:01:20] Donna Hoover: We have two. One of 'em is for sale. But yeah, we have two. 

[00:01:25] Mike Roth: Okay. So you've went from, a two car family to one car and one golf cart family. 

[00:01:30] Donna Hoover: Yeah. That was an interesting transition. I felt like my independence was being stripped away from me because I've always had my own car.

So suddenly, yeah, we had one car and one golf cart when we started. 

[00:01:43] Mike Roth: Okay.

. So you went from a two car family to one golf cart? and one car. Whose car did you keep? 

[00:01:51] Donna Hoover: Well, we kept his car. I loved my car and he said, do you wanna keep it? But it was honestly a 2008 Acura. I loved it and did not wanna get rid of it, but his was a 2022 Honda Accord, so it made way more sense to keep his.

[00:02:08] Mike Roth: And then you bought a golf cart? Yes. What golf cart did you buy? Not the brand necessarily, but what type? the big question is always, should I get an electric golf cart or a 

[00:02:20] Donna Hoover: Gas, 

[00:02:21] Mike Roth: golf cart. 

[00:02:21] Donna Hoover: neither one of us liked the emissions, the smell of a gas, golf cart.

I was a little reticent to do electric. I wasn't sure how Electromagnetic fields were with that. But anyway, we ended up with an electric and got a really good deal on the first one because a gentleman had bought it and he'd only had it for a few months and he found out he had to move back home.

So he needed to get rid of it quickly. So we had a great deal on a virtually brand new golf cart. 

[00:02:50] Mike Roth: Was it, one of those 48 volt, lead acid battery carts?

[00:02:53] Donna Hoover: It's the ones with the, it just has the one big battery, I guess the lithium battery. 

[00:02:58] Mike Roth: When we got down here, we fell into the same trap, but we said no, we're gonna stay a two car family.

And we bought a lead acid, 48 volt. golf cart with supposedly a 40 mile range. Sounded good. for the first three years, it was just fine. Then The Villages got a lot bigger, 

[00:03:19] Donna Hoover: Right? 

[00:03:20] Mike Roth: Now you almost need a 50 mile range to get from where you are to where you need to be and back again.

One day, our village did a golf cart. scavenger hunt. we were driving all over The Villages into the new sections and the old sections. it was about a 25 mile run. on the way home my wife says, oh, can we stop at Walgreens?

I need to pick up something. So we stopped at Walgreens. Got back in the golf cart and the golf cart wouldn't go. the battery gauge was now at zero and, we didn't understand it. ' cause we had at least 10 miles more calculated range left. luckily we had the golf cart service that advertises with Don Wiley. We called them and they sent the guy around and he picked up our cart I said, Hey, we're going over to the store where we bought it from. We're gonna drop it off there. And we dropped it off there. And then he drove me home.

And a couple of days later, the guy at the store said, your battery guarantee is over. one of the four cells in there is dead and you need to replace it. you can replace it with a new one, but that won't work too well. You have to replace it with a used one that matches the 3-year-old batteries in the cart 

[00:04:33] Donna Hoover: where do you find that?

[00:04:35] Mike Roth: He said, don't worry, we have one of those for 75 bucks, I said, for 75 bucks I'm in. Put it in. Which is what we did. then we promptly decided to sell that golf cart. We listed it in the daily sun. And I sold it 

Three times. 

The first two people who agreed to buy it, Test drove it.

And the first two gave me a $25 deposit. They never came back. Third guy finally gave me, I asked for a $500 deposit. He gave me the $500. Two days later, he came back with the rest of the cash. Someone drove him to the house and he drove the car home. we got rid of it. 

[00:05:11] Donna Hoover: your story is similar to ours in the sense that the reason my husband decided he wanted a different golf cart was that, we live up in the Sumter area His work takes him way down south, which as you know, is getting further and further away. And so as he's driving there and driving back, he was getting very close to the end of the charge for the battery. he said this is cutting it too close, So the next one that we bought had a longer range to it.

[00:05:40] Mike Roth: So you bought a lithium ion? Yeah. The second cart we bought was a 70 mile range. Evolution Golf Cart. we bought it from the Village's Discount Golf Cart store up in Bellevue, and it had a four year warranty and we thought that was pretty good. 

[00:05:56] Donna Hoover: Yes. 

[00:05:56] Mike Roth: 70 mile range, so, back around the 1st of May we, Took it up to the pool, distance of about a mile from home and we're driving home from the pool. Get a block from the house and the cart goes from 56% battery life to zero. I looked at her, she looked at me, we couldn't believe it. We pushed the battery reset a couple of times, and then we both got out of the car.

One of us steered it as we walked the car home. 

[00:06:22] Donna Hoover: That's not good. 

[00:06:23] Mike Roth: She was pissed. 

[00:06:25] Donna Hoover: Yeah, 

[00:06:25] Mike Roth: I was unhappy. 

[00:06:26] Donna Hoover: What was wrong with it? 

[00:06:28] Mike Roth: First thing was wrong with her was we bought an Evolution. as it turns out, our dealer, the Village's discount Golf Cart store, discontinued handling the Evolution Golf Cart, The new dealer down in Wildwood decided, well, yeah, your car's under warranty, but I'm not gonna service it because I didn't sell it to you. You have to go to Ocala. So begrudgingly, I called the guys up in Ocala. I said, oh yeah, we can service that for you. Lemme schedule you for a pickup.

it's about the first demand they managed to get us into for a pickup on the 28th of May. as we record this, it's July 16th and, probably about two weeks ago, they called us and said, oh yeah, we tested your cart. the battery is good, but the battery management board is bad. we called the warranty department up at Evolution and they haven't told us when they're gonna send us a board that's probably a 50 or a hundred dollars circuit board.

[00:07:19] Donna Hoover: Okay. 

[00:07:20] Mike Roth: So that board shut the cart down. And we're still waiting. It should be. But it's not. So they still have my cart. 

[00:07:28] Donna Hoover: That's frustrating. 

[00:07:29] Mike Roth: Now, luckily my wife is not playing golf in the summer.

[00:07:32] Donna Hoover: That worked out then in the winter. She plays every week and drives to the golf course and on the executive courses. Now they're demanding that two people ride in each cart. So they have fewer golf carts on the course. They make it by the golf cart. path for the golf courses separately.

[00:07:52] Mike Roth: That's an extra a hundred bucks a year, 112 bucks a year. Two people per cart. So one of the two carts doesn't go.

You know, part of me is thinking, these guys up in, Evolution are trying to make me buy a new cart 'cause they'll wait me out. In the meantime, I spoke to the guys down here in Wildwood, they said, it normally takes two, three months to get the parts. 

[00:08:11] Donna Hoover: That's not good.

You wouldn't have the same sorts of issues if you had a gas driven, Yamaha, right? Gas powered 

[00:08:18] Mike Roth: or a Yamaha battery powered one, but you'd pay 18 to $20,000 for that. we paid 13,000 for the, Evolution. That really did have a 70, over 70 mile range 

[00:08:30] Donna Hoover: Right 

[00:08:31] Mike Roth: When it worked.

That's without the extra money I put into it for. A good stereo. The speakers in it were like from a tin can, with a button in the bottom of it. it was difficult for me to listen to it. So I put a good stereo in with a subwoofer and, that worked.

 We had a problem with it under warranty with the screen in the golf cart The guys at the Village's discount, came over, took the cart, picked it up, returned it. one time when it needed the new screen, they just sent the guy out with a new screen and he installed a new screen in the driveway.

So that wasn't bad. That's good. 

But I think you have to be careful about who you buy things from. For the warranty. and I'll transition effortlessly over to the Hydrotech water softening system that I bought when the house was new, because I'm aggravated about that. 

A year ago, it stopped regenerating soft water.

I called the company who services it now 'cause my installing dealer is out of business. 

[00:09:33] Donna Hoover: so where is this set up in the house? 

[00:09:36] Mike Roth: the softener is in the garage. Okay. we had a good installation, they had to put a french drain to get rid of the salted water after it regenerates But it completely stopped. They gave me two leads on plumbers who would, service their unit. The first guy never showed up never returned calls. The second guy shows up with three people. And they've never seen one of these before. so they took it apart?

on the inside it had a little turbine where the water goes through. It measures the amount of water so it knows when to regenerate. But the turbine itself was stuck in place. Little Stones had developed from the water. Hydrotech owner is the manufacturer. They said, oh, yes sir. Your unit still, the manufacturer parts are available. I said, can I buy 'em directly from you? I'll put 'em in myself. I want the little turbine. They said, no, we can't sell it to you. You have to buy it through a dealer.

Oh, great. So the second guy takes it apart, charges me 150 bucks and says, don't worry. we'll get the part for you. Six months later, he still doesn't have the 

[00:10:34] Donna Hoover: Where is this coming from? 

[00:10:35] Mike Roth: Oh, I dunno. Something's like Mississippi. You know, it's almost a foreign country, I guess 

[00:10:40] Donna Hoover: it Well, how does it take that long?

[00:10:42] Mike Roth: They're not distributing it. These guys aren't interested in selling a $6 turbine where they can sell you a thousand dollars water softener, the whole damn unit, 

[00:10:52] Donna Hoover: Right? 

[00:10:53] Mike Roth: So I called two more plumbers. one guy scours his parts bins and he does nothing to support Hydrotech, can't get the parts.

Second guy was, I'll use his name, Tim Hendron, and I said, Tim, can you get the parts? And he said, he puts one guy on it and they work on it for a month. They can't get parts either.

That was probably a year ago For that year, the unit was working based on estimations and windage of when to regenerate. So it was usually more salt, 

but that wasn't terrible. The water was still soft. Here about a month ago the water was not going through the water softener.

And we had almost no water pressure in the house. 

[00:11:31] Donna Hoover: Oh. 

[00:11:32] Mike Roth: Someone was very unhappy about that, 

[00:11:34] Donna Hoover: I would say 

[00:11:35] Mike Roth: And so I went into the garage and flipped the cutoff valve, which takes the water softener out of the circuit. The culprit is either the city water. The pressure was low or the water softener was clogged.

[00:11:49] Donna Hoover: Right. 

[00:11:50] Mike Roth: And so as soon as I throw the valves and cut the softener out of the circuit, full water pressure in the house, and someone was very happy. 

[00:11:58] Donna Hoover: Well, it sounds like of the two experiences we've just discussed, both of them are. Lack of being able to get the parts you need to fix the items. That's right.

Whether it be the golf cart or the water softener. the North 

[00:12:12] Mike Roth: Softener had a 10 year warranty. The parts should have been free. If they were wear and tear parts, like brakes on a car. I don't mind paying for the parts, but I can get 'em. That's one of the reasons I buy Mercedes cars.

Usually you can get the parts, but couldn't get the parts. So I wound up buying a new water softener. 

[00:12:31] Donna Hoover: That's another frustrating thing. 

[00:12:33] Mike Roth: Two grand extra that I wasn't planning on spending. Tim Hendron came out the next week with a water softener with fully replaceable parts that are in distribution at plumbing supply warehouses.

So if he's not in business. Someone else could get the parts. 

[00:12:50] Donna Hoover: this is a good cautionary tale when purchasing things that could break down you might wanna make sure you can get replacement parts. Some people don't think, I would've not thought through that either. 

[00:13:01] Mike Roth: 10 year warranty, man.

Right. That was 

[00:13:03] Donna Hoover: great. Sounded great, 

[00:13:04] Mike Roth: You know, for your warranty on the battery. Had the battery lasted four years on the, evolution cart. I wouldn't have thought very long about taking the old failed battery out of it and putting a whole new battery system in. 'cause that's only two to three grand because that was available in the marketplace today.

Made no sense. Now for you guys, why didn't Steve convert your first cart through a bigger battery? 

[00:13:29] Donna Hoover: He looked into that and for some reason he would have to explain He couldn't, I'm not sure why that was, this is the best it gets.

[00:13:37] Mike Roth: Yeah. Well, sometimes when you deal with the manufacturer's representative, that's what they're gonna say. But you go to the aftermarket and they say, oh yeah, you have 110 amp battery in there. We'll put a 200 amp in or 175 amp battery in. And that'll do you .

[00:13:52] Donna Hoover: Yeah I didn't look into it, so he could speak much more intelligently to that, but I remember him looking into it.

Obviously hoping to do that rather than buy a new golf cart. 

[00:14:02] Mike Roth: So now you're sitting with two golf carts? 

[00:14:04] Donna Hoover: Yeah. He's gonna sell the original one, which is actually, nothing's wrong with it. If he wouldn't have been working down south, we would've never thought twice about it. 

[00:14:13] Mike Roth: Where does he work? 

[00:14:14] Donna Hoover: He works for a, landscaping company called Sun Life.

[00:14:18] Mike Roth: If a landscaper came by my house and said, Hey, Mike, do you want to have your bushes trimmed? I'd say, where have you been?

I had a guy named Darius come out and trim him last year, came out twice. I lost Darius's phone number. 

[00:14:32] Donna Hoover: Darius, if you're out there Mike needs you. 

[00:14:34] Mike Roth: Those bushes, when they get above the height. Of the gutters, I want to have them trim back. 

[00:14:40] Donna Hoover: Yes. 

[00:14:41] Mike Roth: The 12 inches below the gutters.

Yes. Okay. So I think we've, kicked golf carts around enough. we have to talk about gas versus electric because these new homeowners, they're always asking that question. I'll describe one of the first. It wasn't a lifestyle visit, but my wife's cousin lived here in The Villages for a few years before we moved here, and I was in Orlando at a convention and we came over this was about the time they lived in the, historic section of The Villages.

And it was about the time that the Brownwood Square had just opened. And they said, come on, let's get in the golf cart. We'll ride down to Brownwood. we rode in the backseat of the golf cart facing backwards. With the gasoline fumes. Oh, my. For about 45, 50 minutes. that was all I could take.

[00:15:29] Donna Hoover: That's awful. You said I'm not even driving home with you. 

[00:15:32] Mike Roth: That convinced me that we had to buy an electric, we could not consider a, gasoline car. 

[00:15:38] Donna Hoover: Well, honestly, if it weren't for that, smell 

[00:15:41] Mike Roth: yes. 

[00:15:42] Donna Hoover: I would prefer gas every time. I just have no problem with having a gas cart, but you 

[00:15:47] Mike Roth: actually have to handle the gasoline.

You actually have to go to a gas station And put special 90 octane, with no alcohol in it. Gasoline into your golf cart. some people are gonna say, oh yeah, the new ones, you don't need to use that special fuel. I say, okay, you're right.

The newest engines, have some different gaskets so you don't have to use the special fueL. this is about two years ago. We're at the Mercedes Car Show at Brownwood Square. And all of a sudden we're hearing some yelling and screaming from the next street down. a few of us decided to go down there and see what it was.

And we get there and there's this golf cart all in flames. And the flames were about 20, 30 feet tall. And the fire department was there already. Yes. It was a gas golf cart. And apparently the gas tank leaked onto the hot engine. Oh 

[00:16:36] Donna Hoover: No. 

[00:16:37] Mike Roth: The stories that you hear about electric vehicles catching fire are, I think, exaggerated. While it may have happened in one or two cases, I think more cases happen with gasoline. 

[00:16:48] Donna Hoover: Well, the other thing about that, obviously if you have a gas golf cart, you're gonna get a higher range. I mean, it's like two hundred and thirty, forty, sixty miles.

I don't know what it is. Well, 

[00:16:59] Mike Roth: I mean, top to bottom, The Villages is not 30 miles. 

[00:17:02] Donna Hoover: Oh, right, 

[00:17:03] Mike Roth: if you had a 60 mile range. You could go from the top of The Villages to the bottom and then back home to the top and you'd still have 10 mile range if you had a 70 mile golf cart.

with the lithium ion batteries it runs at full power until you get to zero, when it drops dead, as I discovered. But it gives you the full range. Unlike the lead acid batteries, the lower you get on charge. The slower you go, 

[00:17:29] Donna Hoover: is that right? 

[00:17:30] Mike Roth: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's way that acid battery works.

[00:17:33] Donna Hoover: I did not know that. 

[00:17:34] Mike Roth: And all of the carts that are electric I like charging at home. I don't like going to the gas station. Some people like to go to, wanna buy those, lottery tickets, those power balls. 

[00:17:44] Donna Hoover: Do they sell those at the golf cart? Gas station? 

[00:17:47] Mike Roth: I don't know about that, but I don't think so.

people come into the Circle To buy gas and they buy the lottery ticket. Well, 

[00:17:53] Donna Hoover: you can't put gas from the regular gas station in your golf cart. 

[00:17:58] Mike Roth: You're not supposed to. I bet some people do. So you can 

[00:18:00] Donna Hoover: Do whatever you want, but you're not supposed to. 

[00:18:03] Mike Roth: It's like, my wife's car that says you're supposed to put 91 Octane, but. If you put 93 octane in once, and then you put the middle grade 89 in, it averages out. 

[00:18:15] Donna Hoover: Just do the math. 

[00:18:16] Mike Roth: the engines in gasoline cars have sensors, so the engine won't destroy itself, which is a pretty good feature.

And then the other issue is the maintenance. You gotta change new oil at least annually. there's no oil to change in the electric golf cart. And some of the new electric golf carts, actually have disc brake.

[00:18:36] Donna Hoover: They're getting a little fancier. We have a backup camera on the one we just bought. 

[00:18:40] Mike Roth: The one we had three years ago had a backup camera. That was one of the service visits under warranty. Let's, change subjects and talk about personal comfort in your home.

A lot of people want to enclose their Lana eyes. Which is gives you more living space. Put the right glass in it cuts the heat and instead of attempting to use the heating air conditioning system that's built into the house, they get a mini split system that can heat and cool just that extra room, if you're not out there, you turn it off.

[00:19:11] Donna Hoover: Yes. We bought a house that had that already. So they had it. But what we did was we did buy a new, mini split for the garage. The garage was very hot and we had an extra refrigerator out there.

it was so hot the first summer we were here. I would almost feel faint walking out, just to get something out of the refrigerator. I'm like, this is ridiculous. And we talked about it and he likes hanging out there.

I don't know what he does. He's a guy. He does Man cave stuff out there. But anyway, I was totally on board with getting that, mini split for out there. So it makes a big difference. 

[00:19:49] Mike Roth: And do you remember what brand you bought? 

[00:19:51] Donna Hoover: I do not. 

[00:19:52] Mike Roth: But has it been a good investment?

[00:19:54] Donna Hoover: Yes. Oh yes. No doubt. I highly recommend it. I mean, it's not necessary for a garage, obviously, but if you have a refrigerator out there. It's, gonna make a big difference your refrigerator is working so hard against that heat because it's as hot as it is outside, probably even hotter because it's closed and there's no breeze.

[00:20:15] Mike Roth: Yeah. we have a window in our garage and we put a window fan in there. it takes the. 95 degree air from outside and pushes it inside. 

[00:20:23] Donna Hoover: Oh yeah, 

[00:20:24] Mike Roth: Then I opened the door to the attic.

Hopefully it's going up there. But yeah. I'm susceptible to buying a mini split for the garage to make it, a workable space. I put a workbench in there. And during the winter you can work out there. 

[00:20:36] Donna Hoover: It's very convenient and it made all the difference.

[00:20:40] Mike Roth: Well, that's a good investment then. 

[00:20:41] Donna Hoover: I think so. And I definitely appreciate it on the lanai as well. when it's getting really, really hot, you have your air conditioning running in the house, and then when you go out to the lanai, it's hotter and you notice it, 

[00:20:53] Mike Roth: You throw on the mini split and it's acceptable. Now, did you enclose it and put glass in, or did you put the plastic windows in. 

[00:21:02] Donna Hoover: When we bought the house, they had already enclosed it and they had bought fairly expensive, top of the line glass windows for it.

And they yeah. So it was very nicely done. 

[00:21:15] Mike Roth: Okay. That's the right way to do it. Yeah. Okay. And, I guess the last thing we'll talk about is reverse osmosis systems. 

[00:21:23] Mike Roth: Reverse osmosis. That's a system that takes all of the. minerals dissolve particulate matter out of the water. It has a membrane that filters even the lead out, and it has two carbon filters to remove any other impurities as well as a regular filter.

And we put that in when we moved in. 

[00:21:49] Donna Hoover: How important is it? To add back in some minerals that you've now taken out that you may have needed? 

[00:21:57] Mike Roth: I think of it, I'm gonna eat the right foods and we're gonna talk about foods in our next show. tune in two weeks so that I get the right minerals, whether it's calcium.

You know, you eat all the ice cream you can eat, get as much calcium as you possibly can. My doctor recommended that, and that's the truth. there are other foods with calcium and vitamins and minerals, and you can take supplements. You get stuff that you need for your body, not the stuff that happens to be in the groundwater.

Whether it's iron or phosphorus. whatever's in the groundwater with dissolved minerals. I don't want 'em, I don't wanna drink 'em. I'm okay taking a shower in softened water ' cause it's slipperier. 

[00:22:35] Donna Hoover: I can never tell if the shampoo is out of my hair when I have been in soft water showers.

[00:22:41] Mike Roth: The first time the water softener failed two years ago, I knew it had failed because I was noticing white lime accumulation on the four faucets around the house. And so we bought, lime away and the more lime away, we put.

The less lime we had, but the week later it was back because it was in the water because the softener wasn't working. The reverse osmosis is really for the water that you drink out of the sink. We have a special faucet and a connection to the ice cube maker in the refrigerator. So you put ice into your drink or your water, you're drinking pure water.

[00:23:19] Donna Hoover: So does it taste a lot different? Can you tell. 

[00:23:22] Mike Roth: I can tell the difference immediate, it really tastes a lot better. I'm gonna say it tastes cleaner. 

[00:23:28] Donna Hoover: is this only in the kitchen then for you? 

[00:23:31] Mike Roth: It's only for drinking water. Right. 

[00:23:33] Donna Hoover: Okay. 

[00:23:33] Mike Roth: So, that system that was put in, those, that brand filters are available on Amazon.

So once a year I change the four filters. And once in eight years, I had to change the storage tank. It had a rubber bladder that leaked inside, so we weren't getting any pressure from the reverse osmosis. The filters were working, but the tank wasn't. that was, 25 bucks from Amazon.

Here the next day, pop it in, throw away the old one, work like a charm. reverse osmosis water is the way to go. It's much better than those portable filters or the filters you hang on the end of your faucet. 'cause those only are picking up a portion of the total dissolved solids in the waters.

We've done a test and the reverse osmosis filtered water comes up with like. Four to eight parts per million water coming out of the regular tap regularly scores in the neighborhood of four to 600. 

[00:24:34] Donna Hoover: Well, you'll have to let me taste some of that water before I go now.

I'm curious. You can, I'm sure you can taste the difference. 

[00:24:39] Mike Roth: So do we have anything else we want to add in talking about homeowner issues? 

[00:24:42] Donna Hoover: I think, I could talk for a brief moment about what we did to our lanai. We added a little room at the end for the cat litter boxes.

[00:24:52] Mike Roth: You put a wall in? Yeah, we put a wall and a door and a little kitty entry door because I did not want litter boxes in my living space. So we just built this very small area where they can go. highly recommend doing something like that if you're trying to figure out what to do with the cat litter box.

Yeah. That's a great idea. We're gonna be back in two weeks on Monday morning at nine o'clock. And make sure you hit the follow button . 

Don't hit the snooze button. This was Mike and Donna and we're mature adults here in The Villages. 

[00:25:25] Donna Hoover: Thank you for tuning in. Hope you enjoyed it. You've been listening to Mature Adults with Donna and Mike. We release a new episode the first and third Monday of every month. If you have suggestions for future topics, email us at Mike donna281@gmail.com.